Racial Stealth Modifier - Revision history

3nki at 00:00, 24 February 2025

2025-02-24T00:00:15Z

Vagonuth at 00:55, 13 August 2024

2024-08-13T00:55:23Z

Vagonuth at 21:02, 5 February 2024

2024-02-05T21:02:48Z

Vagonuth: Added Driders

2023-08-01T16:59:18Z

Added Driders

3nki: goblin and hobgoblin according to their desc pages do not have a stealth modifier

2022-06-11T12:29:26Z

goblin and hobgoblin according to their desc pages do not have a stealth modifier

Vagonuth: Added Igantur placeholder

2022-02-13T03:55:47Z

Added Igantur placeholder

Fierlo: Tables.

2022-01-25T18:18:49Z

Tables.

Fierlo: Updated. Remove statement that the numbers aren't reliable.

2022-01-25T18:15:27Z

Updated. Remove statement that the numbers aren't reliable.

3nki: /* Stealth Modifiers, Rogue Skills, And You */

2019-01-03T14:54:21Z

Stealth Modifiers, Rogue Skills, And You

3nki: it seems liz have a slightly neg stealth mod

2019-01-03T14:48:12Z

it seems liz have a slightly neg stealth mod

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 Performance as a rogue is not exclusively or even primarily determined by the stealth modifier.   Dexterity, [[Racial Damage Modifier| racial damage modifier]] and [[Racial Size| size]] also affect [[:Category:Rogue Skills And Spells| rogue skills]] to varying degrees but these are separate from the hidden natural stealth modifier as described above.  Many players strongly prefer sturdy races with high damage output to small agile races when they create a rogue, as rogues have difficulty avoiding taking damage in the course of their duties.
 Most races do not have a stealth modifier. The stealth modifier is most plainly obvious when using backstab, as when it is rolled you get the message "it sees you coming from a mile away" and your backstab fails completely. From this you can clearly see some things - trolls have a -5% modifier, dragons are -20%. However, it doesn't measure positive stealth modifier in any way, and these positive stealth modifiers are extremely rare... most races which are considered "stealthy" are just neutral with above average intelligence/dex, which is sufficient to succeed on backstab all the time.
 Other skills fail for other reasons - most importantly, slip and disengage are strongly affected by size and groupsize, as your ability to disappear in a crowd is considered extremely important there. "Nils" on assassinate and backstab occur at a flat rate regardless of race or class. From this we can see differences in orc and troll stealth performance, despite them having the same negative modifier - orcs have more dex, and also are medium instead of large, so they stab slightly better and slip significantly better.
-"Nils" on assassinate and backstab occur at a flat rate regardless of race or class. Fumbles, which also result in Nil damage (i.e, "You fumble! You fierily hit troll skirmisher with nil intensity."), seem to occur more often then straight up "Nils" – it's not clear what influences the frequency of fumbles; it does not appear to be worship or dex. It could be size, racial stealth, or there is perhaps another racial modifier related to rogue skills (witness halfling's rarely/never fumbling and very high success rate with disarm trap, pick lock, poison weapon, etc).
+Fumbles, which also result in Nil damage (i.e, "You fumble! You fierily hit troll skirmisher with nil intensity."), seem to occur roughly equivalent to the racial stealth modifier percentages given above (i.e, 5/20/50% for modifiers -1/2/3 respectively).
 Some might say a rough indicator of a race's "innate stealthiness" can be gotten by looking at how many of the sneaky racials that race has. These would be racial [[Racial Sneak |sneak]], [[Racial Hide |hide]], and [[Racial Movehidden |movehidden]].
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