Tanking In Hit Gear - Revision history

Jekyll at 14:27, 11 November 2014

2014-11-11T14:27:21Z

Zaffer: Undo revision 46869 by Zaffer (talk). Looks like even good contributions are appreciated.

2012-03-15T03:09:35Z

Undo revision 46869 by Zaffer (talk). Looks like even good contributions are appreciated.

Zaffer at 08:47, 11 March 2012

2012-03-11T08:47:50Z

WinterRose at 08:51, 10 March 2012

2012-03-10T08:51:32Z

WinterRose: fixed held item values.

2012-03-09T16:14:23Z

fixed held item values.

3nki at 14:13, 9 March 2012

2012-03-09T14:13:28Z

3nki at 14:10, 9 March 2012

2012-03-09T14:10:11Z

3nki: grammar

2012-03-09T14:04:51Z

grammar

WinterRose: note on B importance

2012-03-09T11:40:37Z

note on B importance

WinterRose: note on runing the doom shard

2012-03-09T11:32:39Z

note on runing the doom shard

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 [[Category: Gameplay]]
 [[Category: Rogues]]
 [[Category: Warriors]]
 [[Category: Psionicists]]

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-Tanking in hit gear refers to tanking in mixed hit/tank, or full hit gear. This page primarily applies to the hero tier.
+Tanking in hit gear refers is the process of tanking in mixed hit/tank, or full hit gear. As such, armor optimization is required to fine-tune the DR/AC aspects of your set to suit your needs.
-Tanking in mixed gear can be a worthwhile strategy for medium sized melee characters. For example, a rogue at hero 101+ (but with a relatively small amount of hp) may choose to wear some AC gear in lieu of hit gear to reduce damage taken from mobs while still delivering a reasonable backstab.
+Tanking in mixed gear is a preferable method for low-heroes and otherwise hp-challenged characters of certain classes such as [[:Category:Psionicists|Psionicists]] or rogue-related classes, as it allows them to deal damage while retaining high amount of AC and thus protection to last during the run. When tanking in such a fashion, a player relies on groupmates to cover his lack of damage, so he will likely start from an AC set, and then swap a few items to improve DR.
-When soloing or preparing for battles such as the [[:Category:Hero Quest|Ultimate Dragon]], it is not unusual for DR (HR) oriented classes like [[:Category:Warriors|Warriors]] or archer-types to attempt to optimize damage dealt and damage taken.
+When soloing, however, or preparing for tricky battles such as the [[:Category:Hero Quest|Ultimate Dragon]], it is not unusual for even fully-DR(/HR) oriented classes like [[:Category:Warriors|Warriors]] or archer-types to start with a set of hitgear, and then swap items in reverse - to gain a few hundred points of AC while retaining a relatively high DR (or HR for archers/fusiliers), which is required to defeat the enemy in question.
-For larger HP characters and/or those with enough fire power in their group to [[Tanking_Hero_Experience|one-round mobs]], it may be desirable to lead/tank in full hit gear. For some situations, for example a soloing Psionicist, it may be convenient to plan the run such that HP regen is not likely to be required until mana runs low.
+Both these methods use the same pair of questions - How much AC can a piece of equipment bring per point of DR sacrificed, and how much DR can a piece bring per point of AC sacrificed?
-A few notes to preface the table:
+Also, for larger HP characters or those with enough fire power in their group to [[Tanking_Hero_Experience|one-round mobs]], it may be possible to tank in full hit gear without regard for AC. Or, at least without need of AC gear, just hit gear of the highest base and enchanted if possible (gear without a starting AC modifier is easier to enchant). For some classes, for example a soloing Psionicist, it's convenient to arrange things such that when your mana runs low and you need to regen at sanc your HP runs low at the same time.
-* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers. See [[Armor Class]] page for detailed info.
+A few notes before the full-blown analysis:
-The following table compares common DR and AC items.
+* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers, such as ''body'' x3, ''shield'' x3 and ''about body'' x2. Whatever is the item equipped here, it should always have the maximum base - B12. The enchantment is not modified (you will not get 3x75AC by equipping a [[Carburized Steel Plate Armor|Carburized Plate]]!), so it is recommended to have all B12 items even if they are not enchanted - whether they are AC, HR or DR gear. See [[Armor Class]] page for detailed info.
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-! style="background:#efefef;"| '''AC Improvement per DR lost'''
+! style="background:#efefef;"| '''AC gain per 1 DR lost'''
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-(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3x base 12 + -50 affect.<br>
+(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3xB12 + 50 enchantment.<br>
-(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed, it's comparable to an unenchanted LeMans Family Seal (B12+10=22AC).
+(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed it's comparable to an unenchanted LeMans Family Seal (B12+10=22AC).
-The table can be useful as a starting point to decide which items provide the best balance between AC and DR. However, the final decision should take into account the enchantments placed on weapons and armor.
+From the table it is easy to see which items should be swapped first - just sort the table by the last column. If you're adding AC to your DR set, start by the largest gain items, and if you're adding DR to your AC set, start at the bottom with the least loss items.
 [[Category: Gameplay]]

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-Tanking in hit gear refers is the process of tanking in mixed hit/tank, or full hit gear. As such, armor optimization is required to fine-tune the DR/AC aspects of your set to suit your needs.
+Tanking in hit gear refers to tanking in mixed hit/tank, or full hit gear. This page primarily applies to the hero tier.
-Tanking in mixed gear is a preferable method for low-heroes and otherwise hp-challenged characters of certain classes such as [[:Category:Psionicists|Psionicists]] or rogue-related classes, as it allows them to deal damage while retaining high amount of AC and thus protection to last during the run. When tanking in such a fashion, a player relies on groupmates to cover his lack of damage, so he will likely start from an AC set, and then swap a few items to improve DR.
+Tanking in mixed gear can be a worthwhile strategy for medium sized melee characters. For example, a rogue at hero 101+ (but with a relatively small amount of hp) may choose to wear some AC gear in lieu of hit gear to reduce damage taken from mobs while still delivering a reasonable backstab.
-When soloing, however, or preparing for tricky battles such as the [[:Category:Hero Quest|Ultimate Dragon]], it is not unusual for even fully-DR(/HR) oriented classes like [[:Category:Warriors|Warriors]] or archer-types to start with a set of hitgear, and then swap items in reverse - to gain a few hundred points of AC while retaining a relatively high DR (or HR for archers/fusiliers), which is required to defeat the enemy in question.
+When soloing or preparing for battles such as the [[:Category:Hero Quest|Ultimate Dragon]], it is not unusual for DR (HR) oriented classes like [[:Category:Warriors|Warriors]] or archer-types to attempt to optimize damage dealt and damage taken.
-Both these methods use the same pair of questions - How much AC can a piece of equipment bring per point of DR sacrificed, and how much DR can a piece bring per point of AC sacrificed?
+For larger HP characters and/or those with enough fire power in their group to [[Tanking_Hero_Experience|one-round mobs]], it may be desirable to lead/tank in full hit gear. For some situations, for example a soloing Psionicist, it may be convenient to plan the run such that HP regen is not likely to be required until mana runs low.
-Also, for larger HP characters or those with enough fire power in their group to [[Tanking_Hero_Experience|one-round mobs]], it may be possible to tank in full hit gear without regard for AC. Or, at least without need of AC gear, just hit gear of the highest base and enchanted if possible (gear without a starting AC modifier is easier to enchant). For some classes, for example a soloing Psionicist, it's convenient to arrange things such that when your mana runs low and you need to regen at sanc your HP runs low at the same time.
+A few notes to preface the table:
-A few notes before the full-blown analysis:
+* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers. See [[Armor Class]] page for detailed info.
-* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers, such as ''body'' x3, ''shield'' x3 and ''about body'' x2. Whatever is the item equipped here, it should always have the maximum base - B12. The enchantment is not modified (you will not get 3x75AC by equipping a [[Carburized Steel Plate Armor|Carburized Plate]]!), so it is recommended to have all B12 items even if they are not enchanted - whether they are AC, HR or DR gear. See [[Armor Class]] page for detailed info.
+The following table compares common DR and AC items.
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 ! style="background:#efefef;"| '''Stats'''
-! style="background:#efefef;"| '''AC gain per 1 DR lost'''
+! style="background:#efefef;"| '''AC Improvement per DR lost'''
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 | Light
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 |}
-(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3xB12 + 50 enchantment.<br>
+(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3x base 12 + -50 affect.<br>
-(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed it's comparable to an unenchanted LeMans Family Seal (B12+10=22AC).
+(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed, it's comparable to an unenchanted LeMans Family Seal (B12+10=22AC).
-From the table it is easy to see which items should be swapped first - just sort the table by the last column. If you're adding AC to your DR set, start by the largest gain items, and if you're adding DR to your AC set, start at the bottom with the least loss items.
+The table can be useful as a starting point to decide which items provide the best balance between AC and DR. However, the final decision should take into account the enchantments placed on weapons and armor.
 [[Category: Gameplay]]

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 Tanking in hit gear refers is the process of tanking in mixed hit/tank, or full hit gear. As such, armor optimization is required to fine-tune the DR/AC aspects of your set to suit your needs.
-Tanking in mixed gear is a preferable method for certain classes such as [[:Category:Psionicists|Psionicists]] or rogue-related classes, as it allows them to deal damage while retaining high amount of AC and thus protection to last during the run. When tanking in such a fashion, a player relies on groupmates to cover his lack of damage, so he will likely start from an AC set, and then swap a few items to improve DR.
+Tanking in mixed gear is a preferable method for low-heroes and otherwise hp-challenged characters of certain classes such as [[:Category:Psionicists|Psionicists]] or rogue-related classes, as it allows them to deal damage while retaining high amount of AC and thus protection to last during the run. When tanking in such a fashion, a player relies on groupmates to cover his lack of damage, so he will likely start from an AC set, and then swap a few items to improve DR.
 When soloing, however, or preparing for tricky battles such as the [[:Category:Hero Quest|Ultimate Dragon]], it is not unusual for even fully-DR(/HR) oriented classes like [[:Category:Warriors|Warriors]] or archer-types to start with a set of hitgear, and then swap items in reverse - to gain a few hundred points of AC while retaining a relatively high DR (or HR for archers/fusiliers), which is required to defeat the enemy in question.
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 | Finger
 | [[Ice Ring]]
-| 5DR:0AC
+| 4DR:0AC
 | [[Orkenfyr Signet Ring]]
 | 2DR:20AC

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 | [[LeMans Family Seal]]
 | 0DR:10AC
-| 0 - 1
+| 1 (runed [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble|Shard]]) - 3 ([[Banner Of The Lone Wolf|Banner]])
 |}
 (*) The 86 gain value comes from 3xB12 + 50 enchantment.<br>
-(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed it's virtually the same as a double-brilled [[LeMans Family Seal]], making it an ideal replacement.
+(**) The most common held item is [[Shard Of Black Doom Marble]] which can be enchanted to 12/12 (10/10 is common) as well as [[Rune|runed]] for -15 AC. When runed it's comparable to an unenchanted LeMans Family Seal (B12+10=22AC).
 From the table it is easy to see which items should be swapped first - just sort the table by the last column. If you're adding AC to your DR set, start by the largest gain items, and if you're adding DR to your AC set, start at the bottom with the least loss items.

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	Both these methods use the same pair of questions - How much AC can a piece of equipment bring per point of DR sacrificed, and how much DR can a piece bring per point of AC sacrificed?		Both these methods use the same pair of questions - How much AC can a piece of equipment bring per point of DR sacrificed, and how much DR can a piece bring per point of AC sacrificed?
		+
		+	Also, for larger HP characters or those with enough fire power in their group to one-round mobs, it may be possible to tank in full hit gear without regard for AC. Or, at least without need of AC gear, just hit gear of the highest base and enchanted if possible (gear without a starting AC modifier is easier to enchant). For some classes, for example a soloing Psionicist, it's convenient to arrange things such that when your mana runs low and you need to regen at sanc your HP runs low at the same time.

	A few notes before the full-blown analysis:		A few notes before the full-blown analysis:

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 A few notes before the full-blown analysis:
-* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers, such as ''body'' x3, ''shield'' x3 and ''about body'' x2. Whatever is the item equipped here, it should always have the maximum base - B12.
+* Keep in mind that certain locations have AC modifiers, such as ''body'' x3, ''shield'' x3 and ''about body'' x2. Whatever is the item equipped here, it should always have the maximum base - B12. The enchantment is not modified (you will not get 3x75AC by equipping a [[Carburized Steel Plate Armor|Carburized Plate]]!), so it is recommended to have all B12 items even if they are not enchanted - weather they are AC, HR or DR gear. See [[Armor Class]] page for detailed info.
 * A standard hit set does not use a shield. A charged shield brings a solid boost to damage even to classes without [[Shield Block]] along with it's 86 AC, as long as the character has sufficient [[Intelligence]] and [[Dexterity]] to use it well.

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 |-
 | Held
-| Various held items
+| Various held items (**)
-| 8DR:0AC - 11DR:15AC
+| 8DR:0AC - 12DR:15AC
 | [[LeMans Family Seal]]
 | 0DR:10AC
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 |}
-(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3xB12 + 50 enchantment.
+(*) The 86 gain value comes from 3xB12 + 50 enchantment.<br>
 From the table it is easy to see which items should be swapped first - just sort the table by the last column. If you're adding AC you your DR set, start by the largest gain items, and if you're adding DR to your AC set, start at the bottom with the least loss items.